Speak Out: Should Affirmative Action Be Eliminated?
The Supreme Court will hear arguments this fall that could change the way colleges and universities use affirmative action to accept students.
Several competitive colleges and universities in Virginia use affirmative action to help diversify their campuses.
But that practice could change if the Supreme Court chooses to overturn the decades-old policy. Last week, the court announced it will hear the controversial Fisher v. University of Texas case in its upcoming fall session. The case's plaintiff Abigail Noel Fisher says she was "unconstitutionally denied admission to the school because she is white," according to The Huffington Post.
In a Patch article, University of Virginia law professor Tomiko Brown-Nagin says data from California suggests campuses could become less diverse if affirmative action is overturned. On the other hand, demographer Qian Tsai says the general population is becoming more and more diverse so college campuses will become more diverse, too, regardless of affirmative action.
After the article was published, several readers contributed to a robust online debate in the comments section.
Commenting on the article, Terry Lee wrote, "there is not a single educational institution in Northern Virginia that would expect its racial demographics to change because of this Supreme Court case."
Fairfax attorney Ben Glass wrote, "Having now put 4 kids through Virginia universities, I doubt this decision will have a lot of effect on how Virginia's campuses look. From observation only, they tend to be very diverse in terms of race, religion, backgrounds, talents, skills, interests."
Reader Mike James wrote that he thinks diversity makes the system stronger. "The strength of this country comes from it's diversity and it's ability to educate it's populace. If we really wanted to make our country stronger we would give college and trade school education away for free to those who wanted it."
Now it's your chance to keep the conversation going.
Speak Out: Should affirmative action be overturned by the court? Or do you think the policy still has relevance and plays an important role in college admissions? Let us know in the comments section below.
DAVE
8:45 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Affirmative action should be eliminated. It is exclusionary and bases admission on the color of one's skin.
Common Sense
9:07 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
We all should be judged on our hard work, not race. I grew up in a so called "diverse" community. (I am a 'minority' by the way) My parents raised me properly. I worked hard in school & stayed out of trouble. I focused on improving my life by learning and having an open mind. I did not make sports, celebrities & fashion become my priority. In the end, I went to a good school, and have a good job. All this wasn't because of my 'race' but because of what me and my family believe in and worked for. I have black friends who are successful because of what they have achieved, not because of their race. If we want an even playing field, we should teach our young ones to value opportunity & work hard, so they can achieve what they deserve, and not expect it to be handed to them ...this goes for ALL races
Mike Donatello
9:09 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
There is no room in this country for government-sanctioned programs of preference based on race, gender or similar criteria. You cannot remedy past discrimination by perpetuating discriminatory practices, regardless of the target or beneficiary.
DAVE
9:32 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
What about veteran's?
Mike Donatello
9:37 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Veterans' programs are different, of course, as those were created as rewards for service rendered to the nation. I don't know of anyone who received veterans' benefits without serving, do you? ;-)
Terry Lee
9:53 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Dave asks about veterans. While there are a few who are born on military bases and enter the service after high school, having known no other life, most of our veterans choose to enlist after evaluating other options. This not-born-that-way characteristic separates the veterans from traditional groups targeted for affirmative action. Our volunteer military does have the unique rule (compared with other careers) that if you choose to quit your job before your time is up then you can go to jail, and in rare cases be shot. Educational benefits - mostly meaning tuition assistance, not preferential admission - are designed to encourage young people to enlist who may not have a direct path to higher education, and to recognize the opportunity cost they make by serving in the military during the years when most of their peers are in college.
Terry Lee
9:36 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
There is still a need for affirmative action in some places, but reserving places in competitive schools based on skin color is not fair. My favorite example is the highly competitive Thomas Jefferson High School of Science and Technology right here in Fairfax County. Teaching ESOL in elementary school helps students become more competitive, but reserving slots at TJHSST for non-English speakers or providing translators so they can succeed once admitted does not. Educating blacks and whites on why the majority of the TJHSST body is Asian can provide a roadmap and inspire them to work toward admission, but reserving slots at TJHSST for blacks and whites to balance the racial makeup does not. When affirmative action is used to prepare and motivate people to succeed we have success; when affirmative action is viewed as reparations or a shortcut to success, we fail.
Kathy Keith
9:56 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Terry Lee,
You have the issues confused. ESOL classes are needs-based. They are not based on affirmative action. That is a different law and would not be affected by this Supreme Court case. I don't think providing translators is affirmative action, either.
I'm not sure about the TJ issue.
Terry Lee
10:18 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Kathy - I did that on purpose, as I believe that affirmative action policies and laws should focus on needs-based incentives, not rewards for being born into an ethnic group. I did make the leap from the current case before the Supreme Court, which will not affect Northern Virginia colleges and universities, to other forms of racial affirmative action that I believe are more relevant to our community. The affirmative action laws still on the books that stemmed from genuine needs in the 1960s and 1970s could certainly use an update for the 21st century, which may be what this Supreme Court action will inspire.
Kathy Keith
10:25 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Terry Lee,
I'm a little confused about your response. I think we are on the same track. There is already a law which covers the "needs based" issues. It is not the affirmative action law. It is the Public Law (I can't remember the #) which applies to special needs in the schools. I think it also applies to ESOL-although I am not positive about that. It is the law which requires IEP's etc for special education.
There are also laws which apply to hiring disabled people.
DAVE
9:46 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Mike, the point I am trying to make (albeit not very clearly) is that veteran's should not be given any more or any less consideration than any other American. Last time I checked they still received a US Government paycheck.
Kathy Keith
10:02 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
The only veterans who receive a paycheck after they get out of the service is the disabled veteran and the retiree. I'm not sure if retirees can get veteran's preference.
Most veterans today are very young men and women who have given up a LOT and risked a lot for our country. Also, while they are serving, they are paid very little. Around Fairfax County we see a lot of veterans who are retired military officers, but in the rest of the nation, most of the veterans are enlisted people who served a much shorter time.
Our young service people today -especially the Army and Marines-are sacrificing a lot.
Chris Anderson
11:38 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Dave...what consideration received by veterans concerns you? Is it the disabled veteran owned business preference? Is it VA benefits for medical treatment? Is it educational benefits? Just curious. Last I checked there was no affirmative action for veterans.
Emilio Crosby
11:59 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Affirmative Action must be eliminated, as it is racist in principle. Its sole existence implies that racial minorities are somehow less capable of achieving the same outcomes than the rest, and they must have some additional help in order to do so. It doesn't get any more racist than that. I consider that an insult. Just think: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." As long as Affirmative Action exists, people will continue being judged by the color of their skin, there's no way around it. As member of a "minority", according to many of the forms I've completed, I don't accept being officially classified as anything other than American. I believe in the melting pot principle, and I am opposed to the divide and conquer approach of the government. Eliminate Affirmative Action.
Amelie Krikorian
4:53 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012
I applied to Bryn Mawr back in the 80s (before computers, this would probably not work these days) and as a Caucasian I was not accepted. My father sent in the identical application without my knowledge and changed just one thing: he changed my race to Native American. That got me accepted. His argument was that I am qualified to call myself a Native American because I do have the necessary amount of Cherokee blood, so that was OK. My response was that I did not grow up in that culture, suffered no deprivations in my education because of my race, and why should I simply use that fact when it suits me? The underlying issue of course is that if I was not accepted as a Caucasian, I should not have been accepted as a Native American -- unless colleges have lower standards for minorities, which is not good.
Dean Grady
9:50 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012
Affirmative Action is racist at its core. What if these same principles were applied to local, state, and federal government elections?
Jonathan Erickson
7:19 am on Friday, March 2, 2012
Use the cream of the crop and get rid of this social engineering. Take it a step further and require contracts go to the lowest bidders and not to minority's or women just because of race or gender.
Katrina Jameson
12:20 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
I agree that Affirmative Action should be eliminated and that to make sure that diversity is not effected, don't make students identify with a certain group until after they are admitted or at all. You are always going to have universities that go one way or the other but it evens out across the board. Of course there are less black students than white enrolled in university they are a MINORITY therefore the numbers will never match!!!
Sociologist
12:40 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
At my workplace, there are 55 teachers and educational staff members
48 = White
4 = Blacks
2 = Mixed
1 = Latino
The student population is 40% Latino, many who are recent immigrants and are still learning English.
Is there a need for more diversity among teachers and staff in order to reflect the needs of the students?
That's the reason why Affirmative Action might be needed. Of course, it is not a perfect system, but at times it is necessary.
Kim
8:50 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
What is the ratio of male/female teachers? How does that compare to male/female student population? Does that mean schools should show preference to male teacher applicants? There are all kinds of reasons why the race of the teachers doesn't match race of the student body. Discrimination should be investigated but not assumed.
Jonathan Erickson
5:52 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Not good enough. What happens if the white teacher speaks the immigrants language? The best qualified gets the job take race and put it in the porcelin popper where it has always belonged.