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Kaine, Allen Advisors: SuperPAC Ads Were 'Total Crap'

Campaign advisors talk candidly at VPAP forum at George Mason's Arlington campus.

Remember all those horrible television ads in the Tim Kaine-George Allen race for the U.S. Senate? It turns out not everyone with those campaigns liked them, either.

Mo Elleithee, a senior strategist for the Kaine campaign, and Boyd Marcus, a senior political advisor for Allen's Senate bid, agreed Thursday that many of those ads were "total crap." Elleithee said the negative ads paid for by outside groups actually helped Kaine.

The two spoke candidly for more than an hour at a Virginia Public Access Project forum at George Mason University's Arlington campus. George Mason political scientist Mark Rozell moderated.

The pair — Elleithee is a longtime Democrat, and served as senior spokesman for Hillary Clinton's presidential bid in 2008; Marcus, a Republican consultant based in Richmond, served as former Gov. Jim Gilmore's chief of staff — talked a lot of inside baseball. And judging by the crowd's reaction, that's just what people wanted to hear.

Conservative groups like Crossroads GPS, Americans for Prosperity and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce began running negative ads against Tim Kaine in November 2011, Elleithee said. In the end, outside groups spent more than $30 million against Kaine, with nearly $11 million of that coming from Crossroads.

Conventional wisdom usually dictates that negative ads benefit campaigns more than positive ones. But Elleithee said against the backdrop of so many negative ads — and so many of them done poorly — Kaine was able to realize a rise in the polls with positive ads.

The outside spending helped Allen make up the difference in one-on-one fundraising against Kaine, Marcus said. But, he added, "a lot of what they spent money on wasn't targeted correctly, or we wouldn't have spent the money that way had we had that money."

"It was crap. It was total crap," Elleithee said. Marcus agreed.

"There were times I would see the ads coming at us from the other side, and I said, 'Thank you. There is no way that ad is going to convince once single voter to vote against Tim Kaine.' And I remember thinking, 'I bet the Allen folks feel the same way,' " Elleithee said.

Marcus added: "There were a couple of them that were decent ads, and followed the themes we were trying to play. But well over half, I'm sure, of the ads that were done independently weren't on our message, weren't on any message we were trying to convey, and weren't very well done."

Ads by the U.S. Chamber were "the worst," he said.

Kaine issued a challenge to Allen early on that the two agree to penalize themselves in the case outside groups, so-called SuperPACs, got involved. Allen refused. Elleithee said he was worried Allen would agree; he was counting on the onslaught of horrible ads to benefit Kaine.

The only other candidate in American political history who has had to sustain as much spending on negative advertising against him has been President Barack Obama, Elleithee said.

"We had the absolute best fundraising operation in the country in the Kaine campaign," he said. "We raised a record amount of money and from a record amount of people — over 50,000 individual donors by the end of the campaign. This was borne out of necessity. Because we saw early how much money was going to be spent against us."

Election Hinged on Turnout

Marcus said Allen ran a disciplined campaign and did not make any fundamental mistakes. The campaign was trying to push a "softer image" following Allen's 2006 debacle, where a racial slur cost him his Senate seat. That was made more difficult by the hard-edge ads put forth by outside groups.

The Allen camp got close enough that if Republicans had delivered Virginia for Romney, Allen would have won, Marcus said.

"This election was driven by the turnout, and our people did not get it right," he said.

Elleithee said several times that the Kaine and Obama campaigns worked "hand in hand" on get-out-the-vote efforts, which Republicans routinely underestimated, and relied on the Democratic Party of Virginia's established network.

That didn't happen on the Republican side of the fence, Marcus said. While Virginia saw a lot of GOP activity, "most of it was pretty worthless," he said.

"Essentially, the Romney campaign ran the whole ID and turnout operation through the (Republican National Committee's) 72-hour model that's been used for the last several years. And it doesn't work," Marcus said. "There are fundamental parts of it that don't work. It's based on this idea that you can parachute this group of people into anywhere, and give them quotas — how many phone calls they need to make, and how many doorknocks they need to make, and that will generate the turnout that you're looking for."

Elleithee and Marcus agreed that the best outside ads were done by the Republican and Democratic Senate campaign committees, which each seemed to have someone in charge who was at least familiar with what was going on in Virginia.

Marcus talked about how the Allen campaign saw fighting the sequestration bill, and linking that to saving Virginia jobs, as a winning message. Elleithee said voters were more concerned about partisan gridlock standing in the way of solving issues like unemployment and the deficit, which caused Kaine to push a heavy bipartisan message — including running an ad that spoke favorably of working with Obama and President George W. Bush.

"Both sides knew that the need to project this bipartisan aura was important," Elleithee said. "Voters just believed our messaging more at the end of the day."

The two agreed that Virginia has become a state where successful candidates have to win suburbs — making places like Fairfax, Prince William, Loudoun and Chesterfield counties, along with Virginia Beach and Chesapeake all the more important.

Rozell said afterward he hoped to make such candid post-election discussion an annual event.

This article was originally published at 6:53 p.m. Thursday.

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Dave Webster November 17, 2012 at 05:11 AM
Actually the most amusing ad was a pro-Kaine ad put out by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in which a McLean trial attorney, Edwin Williams, stated "I count on Social Security and and I don't want Washington politicians like George Allen privatizing it." Left unsaid was Mr. Williams' present occupation as a practicing attorney. Here is a link for the story. The video link is dead unfortunately. http://tinyurl.com/c84k53p
Anthony Look November 17, 2012 at 04:30 PM
To Dave Webster, what a childish weasel you are, insinuating Attorney Edwin Williams is lying because he is presently practicing. What part of the English language don't you understand, you selective bitter petty sore losing Repubican. He is counting in Social Security as in counting on it being there in the future. You still fighting a losing battle in that Republican sore loser dark soul of yours, thinking you are scoring by your comment but instead just exposing yourself as the cry baby neandrathal that you are.
Jack Taylor November 17, 2012 at 06:09 PM
I don't get your point. The majority of americans count on social security to be there when they retire. Why would an attorney not be included?
Dave Webster November 17, 2012 at 06:58 PM
Anthony and Jack, The point is that the ad was deceptive. When someone says they are counting on social security, it is to be assumed they need that money to get by. A practicing attorney who lives in a wealthy area of McLean does not need to count on social security being his only safety net. If the ad was completely honest, why wasn't Mr. Williams identified by name? Because an ad which said "practicing trial attorney worried Allen may cut his social security benefits" would have produced laughs from most viewers.
Dave Webster November 17, 2012 at 07:28 PM
A slight correction. Mr. Williams was identified by name in an official Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee press release but he was identified only as "Virginia senior [citizen] Edwin Williams" and not as "Edwin Williams, prominent trial attorney and donor to Sen. Mark Warner." Here is a link to the press release. http://www.dscc.org/news?type=press_release&press_release_KEY=2316
marianne November 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM
and all of the ads presently airing on our tv's do not involve actors portraying themselves as doctors, married couples, insurance agents!?!?!? and btw, when you reach 65 you may collect social security and still earn a living in whatever field of endeavor you wish to pursue.
Carol Lewis November 18, 2012 at 01:11 AM
Mr. Look, while I agree with your point, I object to the way in which you said it. There is no need to be so nasty to Mr. Webster just because he has a different opinion. Mr. Webster, it is true that one can get Social Security at 65 regardless of whether one is still working or has other income. Edwin Williams paid into it, so why can't he take it?
Dave Webster November 18, 2012 at 03:49 AM
Carol, The point is not that Mr. Williams is not entitled to Social Security benefits. The point is he is portrayed in the ad as a "senior" who depends upon Social Security and therefore is worried that George Allen will take away his benefits that he is depending upon in his retirement years. He is not an actor in this commercial as Marianne below seems to believe in the post below. When it turned out that he is a wealthy trial attorney who in fact doesn't "count on" Social Security, he apparently never returned a call to the reporter in the article linked with my first post to explain why the commercial didn't explain his true present economic state. That is why the commercial is misleading. Please read the article linked above.
Carol Lewis November 19, 2012 at 02:24 PM
Dave, I see your point, but I look at the ad as if the person were speaking for all seniors who do rely on Social Security, as I do. Mr. Williams would not be the first person to appear in a political ad as something he is not (remember Joe the Plumber who was not a plumber?) That doesn't make it right; I wish both sides were more truthful. However, I think the message in the Williams ad is accurate, even if it doesn't apply to Mr.Williams personally.

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